How can you borrow from Peter to pay Paul? Ask NYC officials. They are probably getting their advice from Wall Street who actually control the money. Queenbee.
And now, their fears are being realized: cities throughout the state, wealthy towns such as Southampton and East Hampton, counties like Nassau and Suffolk, and other public employers like the Westchester Medical Center and the New York Public Library are all managing their rising pension bills by borrowing from the very same $140 billion pension fund to which they owe money.
Across New York, state and local governments are borrowing $750 million this year to finance their contributions to the state pension system, and are likely to borrow at least $1 billion more over the next year. The number of municipalities and public institutions using this new borrowing mechanism to pay off their annual pension bills has tripled in a year.
The eagerness to borrow demonstrates that many major municipalities are struggling to meet their pension obligations, which have risen partly because of generous retirement packages for public employees, and partly because turbulence in the stock market has slowed the pension fund’s growth.
The state’s borrowing plan allows public employers to reduce their pension contributions in the short term in exchange for higher payments over the long term. Public pension funds around the country assume a certain rate of return every year and, despite the market gains over the last few years, are still straining to make up for steep investment losses incurred in the 2008 financial crisis, requiring governments to contribute more to keep pension systems afloat.
Supporters argue that the borrowing plan makes it possible for governments in New York to “smooth” their annual pension contributions to get through this prolonged period of market volatility.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/nyregion/to-pay-new-york-pension-fund-cities-borrow-from-it-first.html?_r=1&ref=todayspaper
Goldman Traders Lost Money on 17 Days in Q4
Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), the Wall Street bank that generated 60 percent of its 2011 revenue from trading, recorded losses from that business on 17 days in the fourth quarter, down from 21 days in the prior quarter.
The firm’s traders lost more than $100 million on two of those days, according to the New York-based company’s annual filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. They produced more than $100 million on nine out of 63 total days in the quarter that ended Dec. 31, the filing showed.
Goldman Sachs, the fifth-biggest U.S. bank by assets, had trading losses on 54 days during 2011, the highest full-year total since 2008 and more than double last year’s number. Trading revenue fell 21 percent in 2011, contributing to a 47 percent drop in net earnings from a year earlier.
Morgan Stanley, the sixth-biggest U.S. bank by assets, said this week that its traders lost money on 22 days during the quarter and on 64 days in all of 2011.
Goldman Sachs’s traders lost money on 21 days during the third quarter, 15 days in the second quarter and one day in the first quarter, according to company reports. Goldman Sachs recorded zero trading losses in the first quarter of 2010, the only perfect quarter in the firm’s history.
22 comments:
"Mammoth did you get an ad for the new US Mint silver coin? Some sort of infantryman looks like WWI for 50.00."
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Yes Queenbee, I did receive that US Mint offer, it might be worth buying that coin just for the Silver value.
Actually though, it looks like a WWIII soldier. The background looks like syria or iran.
Cl, good comments on the previous thread. It relates to an email which all of us salaried employees received at work on Monday:
"Due the challenging economy as well as the increased cost of Oil and materials for the product we make, the March merit pay increases will be put off for six months."
So in a nutshell, although the cost of almost everything that I buy is going up, my income eill not increase anytime soon.
Multiply this by tens of milliond and you gain a deeper understanding of why people are putting products back on the store shelves, rather than buying them.
Ironic - the are printing more money than ever before, and yet it is not going to those who are working hard to earn it. So where is this money going?
Once again the miners hardly moved and GAW Benton and GWG took a real tumble possibly on the China news. Benton was sure to have a correction after the climb it had. Did you have any trailing stops or are you in for the long haul?'
I'm in GWG.V. Smallish position because it's such a volatile stock, so i can take quite a lot of heat. Have done nothing so far -except take losses day after day!- but a break of 0.5 would have me ligthening up (sell half position) as there's a lot of support around there.
Wow - look at that drop in PM's! I'd bet all those people who jumped on the bandwagon this week now have that Howard Cosell line running through their minds:
"Owww - That's got to hurt!"
It's not the PM correction I am concerned about as when PMs sneeze as they say the miners catch pneumonia. My mutual funds will get hammered. That corrects back to mid February for Gold and Silver is still doing well IMHO. Both are still doing well YTD when gold was mid 1500.00 and silver was at 26.00
Gold plunges $70 in an hour, silver down 8% on U.S. QE dampening talk
Two weeks ago I bought some AU Morgans for $35/ea. These are nice, bright coins with the original lustar - AND they passed the magnet, dimensional, weight, and the drop-and-hear-that-telltale-ring-sound tests.
Got a chance tomorrow to pick up some more of these for $38. All from the 1800's.
Would YOU buy these if you were me?
Wow now down 76.00 and stopped moving up 2.00 and silver even worse -6.28% wise 6.5%. This is the single day largest decline I have seen in the PMs and still declining. Do you think everyone was buying based on QE? Glad I didn't buy yesterday. The coins I bought last week are about even. I thought silver had a real chance to break out again. Now this will burn the SLV and GLD traders again. I think it may take a month or two at least to regain today's losses.
According to IBT silver has broken through 4 lines of support
36.20 35.70 and 35.05 next stop 34.65 and that doesn't look like it will hold. It all good for chatting, but I am seeing this as a buying opportunity not selling.
Several reasons why we will not have gold backed currency again. Makes you still wonder why the US holds the most reserves and China is still buying. I know it is a cultural thing with India so that is irrelevant to me.
Return to Gold Standard Would Be Damaging
Looking at $silver and $gold gold has an RSI of 69 and silver is above it. Let's see how much selling happens at the end of today and if the number comes down.
Mammoth I would not buy at 38.00 after today he should be happy with 36.00. Just an opinion that you asked for.
Sorry $Silver RSI is at 78 and that is way over the 70 line of being overbought.
what goes up comes down..as evidenced by the cold rain we're getting here today.
Had a very nice 'treat' as a friend took me to lunch at Olive Garden. People are still eating out judging by the crowd. Thing is, I don't think my panini, small soup, and salad with water is worth $9 (although I did bring half the sandwich home with 2 breadsticks.) Am I frugal or CHEAP? Especially as I wasn't paying??
Speaking of up and down...I was saddened to hear of the death of Davy Jones (of the MONKEES). He was part of my innocence and childhood and he was only 66. Gee that counts as young in my book.
Mammoth--It's hard to give advice. I'd simply ask myself WHEN will you feel that you have enough? Or will it never be enough?
All of life is balance. I think you'll know the right path. You make a decision and live with it and you don't look back. If you feel they are still a good bargain then they are. If it turns out wrong, well, I venture to say it won't be the first or last mistake you'll make in your life ;-)
Here is another way for you to lose money. Be a landlord in a depressed area, but don't be late with those mortgage payments. The gov't wants you to bail out Fannie Mae.
Uncle Sam wants you to rent out its foreclosed homes
Mammoth and CL my thoughts on PMs right now is let the dust settle and look watch the tape. I was buying up to 1750-1800 with dealer mark up the last two weeks and even though I bought just as PMs before went up, the 2 weeks of gains were lost in 1 day and practically in 1 hour. That is the fire I am playing with. Don't do it if you cannot afford to be burned occasionally. Mammoth now you have leverage after a day like today so use it. Get a better price and then buy them all.
What a double dose of gloom today - first PM's and then Davy Jones (of the MONKEES). Good thing February 29 comes only once every four years.
During their heyday, The MONKEES caught a lot of flack as 'The Prefab Four.' However, since their music has stood the test of time and still sounds good, they have been vindicated.
Re: PM's...let's title today's action as 'Algos Gone Wild.'
Should I buy all I can now, or just sit on the fence? Well I've pretty much made up my mind on those Morgan's.
Although I already have a few, now I want to concentrate on only 'accumulating' the nicer ones as well as the less common dates & mintmarks.
we talk about gold here while on I read a story here: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_INVISIBLE_CHILDREN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-02-29-12-59-14
that would break your heart. Then you read this: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/wall-street-bonus-withdrawal-means-trading-aspen-for-cheap-chex.html
You are expected to feel sympathy for someone paid $350,000 a year who won't get a bonus and is 'stressed' because his 3 kids in private school won't get their summer home?
I am not part of any movement other than the being 'human' and knowing which one of these deserves my sympathy and respect. I know life isn't fair. I also know that people have to work for what they want. But the indignity of reading about this whiny SOB from Wall Street forces one to understand the mounting anger this is hidden below the surface right now. I pray we don't have a hot summer because if this erupts we will have anarchy on our hands and nothing ever good comes from that.
If you take a moment and read these, please stop and whisper to God, or the wind, or whomever or whatever you believe in for this young boy and his family and then stop and count your blessings!
Snippet from CL's article:
" 'We had a lot of people in the construction field, and that has pretty much come to a standstill,' says Kristin McCall, the Lake County School District's homeless liaison."
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You see, first we sent all the Manufacturing jobs overseas. Next, we made money available to anyone, which fueled a borrowing & construction boom, so nobody would notice the jobs that went away.
This worked fine until the lending slowed down, effectively shutting off the money spigot.
And now we are dealing with the aftermath - no Manufacturing jobs and no construction jobs, either.
"You are expected to feel sympathy for someone paid $350,000 a year who won't get a bonus and is 'stressed' because his 3 kids in private school won't get their summer home?"
The horror. Imagine privileged children commingling with likes of public school children. Maybe he can check with his 350/hr psychiatrist and get some Xanax to relieve his stress.
He says "“People who don’t have money don’t understand the stress.”
Are you freaking kidding me?
He is right. Not having money is less stressful than having it. Poor street people beg for a living, eat at soup kitchens, live in boxes and get health care at free clinics. They don't have the kind of stress compared to him who has to pay $32,000-a-year for his 10 year old to go to Poly Prep Country Day School in Brooklyn."
I don't think he understands the anger a statement like that would make to the average American.
The poor guy should do us all a favor and jump off the Brooklyn Bridge. That would certainly relieve my stress.
Amen, Queenbee.
The poor worry about living without money, while the rich worry about keeping theirs.
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