Friday, May 14, 2010

Snow Says Euro Faces ‘Tough’ Survival Without Budget


May 13 (Bloomberg) -- Former U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow suggested the euro may not survive unless member nations agree to merge policies from budgets to labor markets.
“I hope it works, I believe in it,” Snow said in an interview late yesterday at the University of Oxford’s Said Business School in Oxford, England. “But the economist in me says that it’s going to be tough without accommodations.”
The common currency has weakened against the dollar this year amid investor concern on how indebted nations will cut budget deficits and access aid if needed. European Union officials agreed to a $1 trillion bailout this week to keep Greece from defaulting and stem a rout in government debt that jeopardized the ability of Spain and Portugal to borrow.
“For the euro to be able to survive long term, fiscal consolidation of some kind -- tax policy consolidation, fiscal policy consolidation -- is probably necessary,” he said. “But that’s not enough, you really need one labor market, one capital market. Europe is going to face hard choices in the future to make this thing work.”
The euro slid to $1.2594 as of 11:18 a.m. in London, from $1.2614 in New York yesterday. It’s fallen 12 percent against the dollar this year.
‘Canary in the Coal Mine’
Snow, who served as Treasury secretary from February 2003 to June 2006, spoke yesterday before delivering a speech. He is now chairman of Cerberus Capital Management LP.
He said turmoil in government bonds is one of the most serious problems facing the global economy. While governments can prop up failed companies, there’s no backup for states that run into trouble, and because so many nations have so much debt, it’s not clear that countries can rescue each other, he said.
“The problem is that this is so widespread, the United States has its own exposure to fiscal risk, sovereign risk, most of Europe does -- Greece is the canary in the coal mine, as they say,” he said. “Who do you turn to if we get a run on sovereign debt, who backstops it? That’s the whole problem, there isn’t a backstop.”
The International Monetary Fund can’t be relied on to rescue faltering states because it depends on donations from member countries, Snow said. Countries that refuse to get their finances in order also pose a risk to the global economy because they may start printing money to meet liabilities, which could fuel inflation and undermine debt markets linked to government bonds.
‘Hyperinflation’
“It’s a really serious problem, and you get the risk of hyperinflation, governments printing money to pay their debts, a race to see who can print first to get ahead of the others, so their currency has more purchasing power than their neighbors’,” he said. “It’s not a pretty picture. All the other paper trades off the government paper, once government paper gets into default condition, what happens to the whole debt market, the fixed-income market?”
While the EU’s rescue package gives the Greek government and leaders of other countries time to convince their citizens of the urgency of making spending cuts, it won’t shift the management of public finances onto a more sustainable path, Snow said. Cost reductions are unavoidable when monetary union prevents some countries from adopting a weaker currency to fuel exports and nations refuse to subsidize each other’s overspending, he said.
“How do they get competitive? They lower their own internal cost structure, it’s the only option available to them, he said. “They don’t have the ability to get a more competitive exchange rate, so they’ve got to do it internally. The question is, is there the political will?”


I wanted to toss this in sent to my by Shaza
Jim Rickards podcast on King World News
Jim Rickards is a Senior Managing Director at Omnis Inc. and has been a direct participant in many of the most significant financial events over the past 30 years including the 1981 release of hostages from Iran and was also the principal negotiator for the government sponsored bailout of LTCM. His clients include private investment funds, investment banks and government directorates in national security and defense. He is an advisor to the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States and Support Group of the Director of National Intelligence and recently testified before Congress on the causes of the financial crisis. In this interview Jim discusses the critical joint IMF and SNB meeting which just took place in Switzerland, where he sees gold headed, the $1 trillion loan package put together by the ECB, a one world currency and much more.

43 comments:

bhagwhan said...

Bee

If you are still after coins and considering the $ v the Euro you may like to have a rummage through here

http://www.proaurum-numismatik.de/numismatik_shop.html

or considering which way the £ went yesterday

http://www.goldline.co.uk/bullionCoinsPage.page

please do buy something from Baird's as our balance of payments is shot to F again

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f35062d6-5e75-11df-9266-00144feab49a.html

Going loco said...

Krugerrand in London this morning -£896.75 plus postage
http://www.goldline.co.uk/bullionCoinsPage.page

Gold-by-the gramme at BV London this morning - £848.25 + maximum of 0.8% commission (falls to 0.02% depending on volume); Storage & insurance fee 0.12% p.a., monthly minimum $4.

I think that for long-term accumulation physical coins in your own possession are still the best thing.

Shaza said...

Brace for China's heavy braking
TOP NEWS
Oppn NBN plan may derail Telstra split: govt 12:22 PM
Healthscope receives private equity offer 1:20 PM
NAB eyes RBS short-list 12:48 PM
Looks like the nexr crisis is heading our way:

Brace for China's heavy braking


In an ominous sign for Australia, the Chinese sharemarket is slumping on worries that the Chinese government will soon lift interest rates in response to rising inflation and surging property prices. Such a move would slam the brakes on Chinese growth, and deal a cruel blow to Australia, which is counting on Chinese growth to keep commodity prices high.
Although it rebounded by 2 per cent yesterday, China’s Shanghai Composite Index is down more than 20 per cent from its peak in August 2009, which means that it is still technically in a 'bear' market.
http://www.businessspectator.com.au

Going loco said...

In a sign of shoppers' nervousness, high street chains saw sales tumble by double figure percentages over the weekend due to the uncertain outcome of the election. Retail Week, the magazine, reports this morning that some of the UK's biggest chains saw sales fall at a similar rate as they did in the aftermath of the collapse of Lehman Brothers in 2008.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7721144/Coalition-government-may-have-to-impose-50bn-tax-rise.html

Going loco said...

Shaza - Does Australia depend totally on commodity prices? Only a few of your people work in the mines & most of the profits go to multi-nationals.

What happened to the sheep? (joke)

Going loco said...

Mr. Practical reappeared on Minyanville:
It's not important, nor is it possible, to understand specifically what occurred on Friday's market drop. What is important is to understand the conditions that allowed it to happen. Seventy-eight percent of the entire rally from the 2008 lows in US stocks occurred in overnight trading. This means it has occurred on virtually no volume. Additionally, real economic activity, significantly curtailed from deflationary forces (too much debt), has been replaced by government programs while income has been replaced by transfer payments. Conditions are extremely tenuous and fragile. There are no real markets based on value anymore. Equity prices aren't based on investor expectations of future production. If anything, all asset prices are being driven by governments through currency debasement and its consequences.

edgar said...

The beat goes on. Over the next twenty years we will be seeing old and young alike begging in the streets.

Rich imperial Rome faced the same danger. The beggars invaded and squatted in the isolae, or apartment blocks, of the city and used the sewer system to evade arrest.

The Emperor Diocletian was so terrified of the unemployed that he deliberately held back new technology to provide unskilled jobs. Free food and entertainment, the notorious policy of 'bread and circuses', were laid on to keep the begging mobs happy...


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Begging+is+as+old+as+history.+But+in+Britain+it+is+a+problem+that+can+...-a0109627305

Going loco said...

Gold just hit all-time high on Kitco.
USD index up.
FTSE, Cac, Dax, all down.

Going loco said...

Greece may never be able to pay off debts, says Deutsche Bank chief Ackermann.

“I would doubt that Greece over time will be in a position to come up with the economic potential” to pay back what it owes, Mr Ackermann told Germany's ZDF television.

"Europe must intensify efforts to turn around Greece's financial situation to avoid a need to restructure its debt, since this would impact German banks, Mr Ackermann said."

Dichotomy?

Gold on Bullionvault just about to change hands for Euro 1,000/ounce

Sovereign debt ponzi scheme: game over.

Mammoth said...

Thanks all, for your input re: my ‘keep or sell’ Gold question.

Couldn’t post here yesterday - was out in the garden potting up strawberry plants for our annual garage & plant sale. (Now THERE”S an investment that keeps giving: Free (used) pots from the local waste facility + overgrown strawberry patch + ‘sweat equity’ = $$$!)

Edgar:
Paying interest to the banks indeed feels revolting, but rule #1 is trades should not be made based upon emotion.
- - - -
Loco:
Debt repayments are the same, as this is a fixed-interest loan. As the net payment (mortgage – rental income) is $200/mo, the chances are quite small that we could lose the land.

Hence, hanging onto the Gold and just buckling the seatbelt for a wild ride (price fluctuations) appears the most prudent choice for the time being.
+++++++++
Next for this plot of land is putting in a driveway ($9k) and setting up a mobile home ($45k) on it as a rental, so the next tug-of war will be deciding how to finance the latter…stay tuned for developments on this venue.

Mammoth said...

Nice pic, Queenbee.

Thought of the day:
If there is a sudden mad rush out of the Euro and these countries reinstate their own currencies, will this be seen as a dress rehearsal for what Americans may expect when the US$ finally crashes under America's crushing sovereign debt?

Good day to all,
-Mammoth

Got A Watch said...

Euro seems to be unable to get up off the mat,and Euro area markets sinking with it. A Trillion does not buy you much these days.

Next I expect European Bond rates to start climbing, despite the "intervention", and that will be the time bell ringing for the Euro project.

Mammoth - Currencies are a game of relative value, not absolute (except when priced in gold oz) - with the Euro weak, Yen wanted badly by Jap Government to be weak, GBP weak - I am not sure where US $ holders can flee to except into gold, and that market is not large enough to absorb the inrushing capital. It seems more likely in the near term that currencies continue to trade around their present levels, with the Euro continuing to sink.

I would expect some intervention soon to reverse the price of gold as well - it is making Central Bankstaz look bad world wide, and they hate that. Nothing irks them more than being seen as the Naked Emperors they are, they have to maintain the illusion of some control over their markets or they will rightly be seen as irrelevant.

In a few years the situation will reverse, as I said yesterday, the US as a nation will be the last to enter the 'Decade of Austerity' (California and other States are already on that road) at the Federal level, so it seems likely America will also be the last to see real recovery. At that point people may flee the US $, but again, I am not sure where most capital can flee to - as the global reserve currency, there are so many US $ in circulation that I do not see what they all could be converted to.

Got A Watch said...

I mean that for some savvyt individuals there are alternatives - buy some gold, silver, CAD $, AUD $, NOR Krone, Brazilian Real or stocks in those nations.

But when you look at it from a high level view, it seems to me there are simply too many US $ in existence (digital or paper) now to allow for most to get out in time. It is simple math and lack of alternatives with enough room.

One of the consequences of being a global reserve currency for 50+ years - the US $ is now everywhere and tightly intertwined with the global economy.

Going loco said...

GaW - they were listening to you! They just crashed POG by USD30 in 30 minutes, down from 1247 to 1217! A wild ride indeed.

Got A Watch said...

Going loco - I expect it would not take much intervention at this point to drop the gold price.

Reason being, the number of "investors" or "traders" willing to buy gold at each "new record high" is probably less than at the previous one.

Buying anything at a "record high" just sounds like a bad idea if you want to 'buy low, sell high' - it's a violation of common sense, really.

There is probably a much larger pool of potential buyers now waiting to buy gold after a substantial correction. Which is not a problem for the gold chart, the price could correct back to $800 or so (have not looked at along term chart for a while) and still be within the longer term uptrend.

Got A Watch said...

btw I tend to agree with Bill Cara in most matters. Reason being, he has 40 years experience professional trading, and that counts. He seems to be able to pick up on subtle shifts in capital flows and make calls based on instinct or hunch or experience, call it what you will, that are very often eerily accurate.

I highly recommend everyone read his 'Week-In-Review' each week, it is all about the complex inter-relationships in global markets and how they can interact and affect each other.

In that context, the flows of capital are the most important factor - when money leaves one sector and goes to another it will heavily affect the prices involved.

By size and influence, ForEx and Bonds are much much larger and more important than stock prices. Libor, Euribor and RED spreads are more critical to the global economy than most individual sectors, and have much greater and faster reacting influence.

Got A Watch said...

sorry that's TED Spread, not Red

Better Ted than Red. Better Red than dead.

Queenbee said...

Now this is the correction in miners I was anticipating. Everything on my watch list deep in the red, but Gold mover from down 7.00 to up .30 in 20 minutes.

Va-Bear if you still want to get into the miners the prices are looking better. I would still wait until next week. How about SWC down 8%? Did they all of a sudden stop building cars?

GL I think I will leave this thread alone today and I can post your email if you like tonight or in the morning.

Nice Friday to be off. Edgar I need a little plumbing done here. It will probably cost me more than if I flew you to Orlando as I cannot do stuff like that. Doing it myself is what caused the problem in the first place.

Just like the government intervention in the financial market they are trying to fix it and only making it worse. They must think they are doing the right thing, but it must make them crazy that everything they do isn't working. Even the psychopathic banksters don't want to blow up the whole game. However, they seem to be adding gasoline to the fire.

I am in cash and want to buy more gold and silver. I will buy again next week when these miners get back down to earth.

Queenbee said...

Bhagwhan very interesting web sites for coins. However, the first one seems to be all in German. GAW I will go read Cara as although I have time to comment at work I need a day off the really read.

It seems impossible for me to imagine so much selling that gold would retreat to 800.00. I think it more likely goes to 1500 based on supply and demand and fear. It would take a huge sell off IMHO by a country like the US to have any downward effect. Like opening Fort Knox. China has no interest in selling as they still need to buy. India is not selling. The EU will not sell and GB has already sold most of its reserves.

The only gold coming into the market is what the miners pull out of the ground and we all know that is getting harder to find.

AUS effectively just killed its own mining industry. I have told this to Shaza and she knows that Australia could be in for some harsh times as they have price inflation and now a Chinese manufacturing pull back will hurt AUS.

Well isn't it a great day to be in cash with the market down over 200 points? I feel like a leprechaun.

Got A Watch said...

Well, I recommend it, but Cara's W-I-R always makes me feel I don't know much. If you can honestly say that you understand the implications and inter-relationships in all the charts he posts, you are way smarter than me.

You do what you can with the info you have in front of you. There are levels of information we don't get. Like why gold and silver miners seem to pay a very low dividend compared to how much money they (should) be making with the current prices of the shiny metals.

Take SLW for instance, it's P/E is now 56.09, EPS 0.38, stock price last 21.28 - this company buys silver at $4, you are seriously telling me they can't do better than that. Who do they sell this silver to and at what price?

This is typical for most. In fact a lot of the "majors" pay no dividend at all due to various losses and costs. Sad at their stock prices. Forget about the juniors, even worse in most cases.

Unless you are trading these based on a chart, I see no reason to own any long term. They are basically an expensive call option on the metal price. If you want to capture the rising gold price, buy some gold instead, or silver.

I don't know what is going on with management at these mining companies, but the whole sector seems to have the same disease. They mine and sell tons of product but seem to make little money at it. Que???

Got A Watch said...

Australia is a great example of how you can have a recession in a strong economy just because the Government is incompetent.

Wait till every mining company flees Australia and they collect little new money from the tax. Then what, even if they abolish the tax in 2-5 years the damage is done now. Executives and shareholders will be inclined to invest their time and energy anywhere else but Australia for a long time. That can happen when you make people lose money.

Queenbee said...

GAW I agree. How is it that the POG and the Silver is not shooting these mining stocks to the moon? My answer is greed. The owners keep the money and do not return it to the stockholders. The average cost to mine an ounce of gold I have read is around 450.00. That is a hell of a lot of profit IMHO

You are right that very few offer dividends and the ones that do, are pennies on the dollar. I buy on dips sell if it goes sour. If it goes up I sell when I have made a couple of hundred dollars. It is like gambling. I have made a lot more money just buying and holding the PMs.

mugabe said...

Spanish stock exchange down 6.7% today after going up 14.4% on Monday. Nothing to see, move on.

Queenbee said...

Mugabe it is like a train wreck. Maybe a meteor will hit the earth and save us all from finding out how really bad the bankers have screwed up the world economy.

mugabe said...

Mammoth,

The play is long strawberries short gold.

Privyet.

Mammoth said...

Mugabe,

Привет!

Got A Watch said...

Have a great weekend glorious comrades!

Joke:

Why do English people always drink warm beer?

Because Lucas makes refrigerators too.

Inside joke for anyone who's ever traveled in a British car.

Mammoth said...

Q: Why don't the British make computers?

A: Because they can not figure out how to make them leak oil.

It is a rare sunny day here in the Pacific NW. Time to head outside and divide more strawberries....

Going loco said...

QB - I vote that you leave posts up longer so that the threads mature. Less posts, longer threads say I.

Q. Why doesn't the USA let Canada join the Union?
A. Because the dumb blondes in LA have enough rocks already

edgar said...

Q: Why don't the British walk on the side of the road counting their money?

A: Because Swervin' Mervyn is driving the pound into the ground.

[/lame]

edgar said...

US T-BOND CRASH IMMINENT!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

bhagwhan said...

I found this on Z'hedge, which I think is a fair estimation as to how 2010/11 will pan out. I would like to add that I see cannibalism becoming widespread in Bristol, similar in a way as happened during Stalin's enforced famine in the Ukraine ...

by cougar_w
on Fri, 05/14/2010 - 01:07
#351059

Since you asked, a scenario for you (likely given current trends, in order, no particular timeline):

* Major liquidity issues at banks, followed by run on banks, followed by liquidity failures across retail sectors;
* Spot shortages of non-essentials like clothing and durable goods;
* Fuel shortages, rationing, hoarding;
* Spot food shortages as liquidity crisis spreads and hoarding turns to essentials;
* Fuel riots;
* First vital communications failures;
* First signs of societal collapse, martial law, revocation of rule of law;
* Beginnings of internal migration as people begin seeking essentials and not finding them;
* Collapse of media and communications;
* Food riots;
* Federal government recalls all military units from foreign assignments;
* Widespread collapse of state-level governance;
* Total and permanent collapse of health care system;
* Rise of organized crime, open criminal operations;
* Disintegration of national borders;
* Widespread refugee crisis across former national borders;
* First signs of generalized starvation;
* Widespread warfare, mostly domestic, often organized by criminal syndicates;
* No signs of local, state or federal governance;
* Widespread starvation and disease;
* First attempts at creation of a world government (fails);
* First signs of mass murders and suicides;
* Huge human migrations within and across continents;
* First signs of human population collapse;
* Second attempt at creation of a world government (succeeds);
* Human population numbers less than 1 billion globally;
* Return of the 100% solar economy, based on animal labor and farming.

That should be enough. Nothing in there that requires anything other than a collapse of the monetary system, a failure of confidence, and chronic fuel shortages. The rest follows.I'm not the first to come up with a list like that. Books are written on it. I'm one of the few can rattle it off in a post without consulting notes.I am a fiction writer and have a very fertile imagination, but I don't need it for this stuff. The above is just logic.

Queenbee said...

Been distracted all day looking for a trade. I stood at the bus stop all day and nary a bus came by. So here I sit over the weekend all in cash. I agree GL with leaving the posts up longer. I will see what I can do about that.

I think the thought provoking posts are the best. The ones that get us all talking to each other. Did anyone listen to the podcast? I loved it. Eric King is a great interviewer and has a radio voice. Probably a face for radio too. ;-)

Ok back to the markets. Today was not as bad for the miners as it started out down about 1% and some were up. Very little movement, but Stillwater was down 6%. I am going to consider buying after hours, but I think the charts are still warning against this trade and I follow them now religiously.

Everyone waiting for TBT to move is going to have to wait for much longer. April 1st was at 50.00 now down to 42.00. That is why I hate inverse ETF's. Shaza who said if you don't understand a stock don't trade it. ETF's have layers of confusion as far as I am concerned and I have only lost money with them.

I think I will post something tomorrow and I want to wish everyone to have a great weekend.

edgar said...

As far as I'm concerned there is only one ETF - FAZolene. tee hee!

edgar said...

Monday, 10:30 a.m. eastern, I will hit the ask for some FAZolene on a paper trade with an eye toward selling Friday. I can't afford to day trade on my fictional account as the balance isn't high enough yet. ;)

Queenbee said...

Dammit Bhagwhan that is a very grim outlook. I think some of that could happen, but what you are describing is the complete breakdown of civilization. We turn into a dog eat dog sort of anarchy. I cannot imagine it will get that bad.

What is sad is that that bankers and politicians have screwed this up so badly that I actually think this scenario is possible. I am not buying into it yet, but I think I will have nightmares tonight.

Going loco said...

Jim - Orlov has the best take on collapse. A very wise man IMHO.

Link:
This video is worth watching

Goodnight all. From Ghoolies and Ghosties and Long-Leggedy Beasties, and central bankers that go "Bump!" in the night, may the Good Lord protect you.

Queenbee said...

On a good note the Space Shuttle went off beautifully. I can see it from Orlando as Kennedy Space Center is only 50 miles away. From the time it clears the horizon to the time it disappears is only about a minute.

To this day I still remember the day when I watched Challenger blow up. Now every time I watch a launch I am apprehensive that is could happen again. It still freaks me out when it lands at KSC because I am not expecting the sonic boom. It is really quite loud.

Queenbee said...

Can someone explain how gold can move like it did today at 930am to 1000am? I am starting to believe that manipulation of Gold and Silver is very possible by the big banks. I need someone talk me out of this line of thinking.

edgar said...

Can someone explain how gold can move like it did today at 930am to 1000am? I am starting to believe that manipulation of Gold and Silver is very possible by the big banks. I need someone talk me out of this line of thinking.

I love my tin perhaps more than any man alive and I know that I hate the banks with an unmatched zeal but that move in gold today was nothing. New highs and then a consolidation imo. I wouldn't add until it hit the bottom of the channel imo, especially with as strong as the dollar has been. Patience.

edgar said...

BTW, The Fly wrote this two months ago (tongue in cheek):

When the Risk Trade Ends…

Gold will collapse under a large pile of “Jakegints,” as the ominous “ETF SAVAGERY” takes hold of retail lemmings.

Long dated Treasuries will advance in price, as everything else just loses its luster.

The Vix index will spike, thanks to the great return of volatility and all of its wholesale fuckery.

The euro will fuck itself, while the dollar reigns supreme. This paradigm, incidentally, will put pressure on U.S. exporters.

Commodity prices will plummet, making alternative energy laughable, similar to the grand national practical joke known as “elections.”...


Except for golf he was right on the money.

edgar said...

not golf, gold. now is not the time to get greedy with the PMs imo.

Shaza said...

I could not have said it better:

"The elements of good trading are: (1) cutting losses, (2) cutting losses, and (3) cutting losses. If you can follow these three rules, you may have a chance." Ed Seykota
FRIDAY, MAY 14, 2010
The Bears have it!
Well dear readers, if you are bullish, I have good news and bad news for you. The good news is that the S&P ended positive for the week. The bad news is that we ended this week the same way we ended the last one.....with bears totally in charge. Now, one might argue that the market closed well off its lows and if you are bullish, you might take some encouragement from that. But, I have some bad news on that front too. Considering what happened to those who were short over the last weekend this Monday, it is not too hard to imagine that many did not want to hold their short positions going into the weekend, and covered into the close, leading us to close well off lows. The bulls should also be discouraged by how easily they gave up control of 1150, an important level. I admit I expected them to show more fight here. Euro took another beating and one wonders what the Euro zone can do now. It is quite possible that they might have already played all their cards last weekend. I will end this post right here dear readers as I will be back sometime during the weekend trying to gaze into the future, seeing where we go from here.

Have a great weekend!
http://trader9999.blogspot.com/2010/05/bears-have-it.html